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[livejournal.com profile] silveryscrape posted an interesting post asking about people's memories of popslash

Which got me thinking. I'm a hiatus fan. ( of Nysnc anyway ) I've told this story many times before, but when I first decided I wanted to write popslash ( which was BSB at the time, I hadn't found Nsync yet ) I very nearly created a different journal because where I was hanging out, rps was so taboo back then.

At the time I was in The Sentinel fandom and while I read the mailing lists they were never really for me. There was only so many times you could be ignored on Senad before you gave up, and the thought of posting to Prospect L terrified me. So, LJ was a huge draw, but I had this issue about whether I should use my name for the rps too. Looking back now I laugh at myself, but it was a big deal at the time. Something that was only amplified when I went to my first slash con and was seriously told that popslashers were lower even than furries on the fandom scale. Which still boggles me to this day, I mean, why say that to someone?

I didn't get a different journal, and soon I'd posted some BSB stories, which sucked and aren't on my site, so no asking. I then started to make friends. What you have to know is I'm very reserved and get intimidated really easily, so going to these new people and actually working up the nerve to comment took a while. But I kept at it and my flist began to grow. People that are still around now, because I get ridiculously attached to people.

Popslash is the fandom where I first felt I'd carved my own tiny space in the fannish world. I wrote, pic spammed, took on communities, commented up a storm and loved those five men so hard. So hard.

I remember the outcry when Lance showed off his bull tattoo for the first time at Challenge. When Rhys posted The Book of Secrets and the fandom just went silent that day as most people read. When they sang the National Anthem and despite not knowing, we knew it was probably the last time they'd sing together. The way that crackly cellphone captured song flew from journal to journal like a blazing fire.

I remember Lance coming out, Chris going through Little Red Monsters and Nigels 11, the wait for JC's first album and the utter joy when it was finally released. The squee when the vid for ADLIDAS was first seen, and the slump when it was pulled.

I remember sitting at my computer on Challenge weekends and devouring every little detail that was posted, often into the early hours. Jumping on each new part of Absinthe Makes as [livejournal.com profile] mickeym and [livejournal.com profile] nopseud posted it. LJers travelling huge distances to hear Chris sing solo for the first time, and him admit that mentally things hadn't been good.

Writers leaving and new ones arriving, that anon hate meme that drove people away. DWNOGA finally ending, and the torch being passed on. So many amazing stories posted, the not so amazing and the just plain bad.

Joey getting married, Lance trying to hide Jesse, Justin shooting ever higher and becoming a solo star. So many memories tied to those men, and those memories are still being created.

I keep saying popslash isn't dead, and it's not. Compared to what it was it's nothing, I know that, but it's not dead. The April challenge is showing that, with new stories by different writers posted each day. Good stories, and there are still new fans arriving. Bringing their squee and their words and that's fantastic. It is in danger of dying of apathy though. I hate that people post amazing stories and get a handful of comment in return. I know you're not supposed to write for comments, but they're a great thing to get, and when I see a kick-ass story that's obviously taken a long time to write get hardly anything in return, well that's disheartening.

I've always said that popslash is home, and it is. I love the group, the fans, the fic. But pushing the metaphor, while it is my home I'm spending most of my time outside of it right now. Which is pretty easy to do when things are so quiet. I'm falling - have fallen - for another fandom. But that's okay, I have plenty of love to go around.

Date: 2008-04-26 11:48 am (UTC)
sperrywink: (NSYNC yellow)
From: [personal profile] sperrywink
I consider popslash home as well, even if I'm not reading in it as much as I used to. I don't feel as much dedicated, singular love for any fandom the way I felt for popslash. I love NCIS and bandslash and Criminal Minds, but it is all diffuse and fluctuating. Even in these "new" fandoms, I look for the old popslashers so that I can feel at home.

Date: 2008-04-26 11:56 am (UTC)
ext_1650: (Just so pretty ( digital_diva))
From: [identity profile] turps33.livejournal.com
Yes, that's it. I always look for old popslashers too, they make me feel comfortable. Like that touch of home when I'm in some new unknown place.

Popslash shaped who I am as a fan, and it's a fandom that I love a lot.

Date: 2008-04-26 12:03 pm (UTC)
sperrywink: (JC is the prettiest boy)
From: [personal profile] sperrywink
Yes, exactly. Popslash shaped who I am as a fan as well. I discovered fandom (and specifically slash fandom) through due South, but I didn't become an active fan until popslash. Whatever the unique factors are that make up popslash, they were what pulled me out of my shell.

Date: 2008-04-27 03:22 pm (UTC)
ext_312: Desolation Row!Gerard (Default)
From: [identity profile] turloughishere.livejournal.com
Even in these "new" fandoms, I look for the old popslashers so that I can feel at home.

This is so true!

Date: 2008-04-27 03:37 pm (UTC)
sperrywink: (Dude where's our car?)
From: [personal profile] sperrywink
:-)

You gotta find the like-minded people!

Date: 2008-04-26 12:21 pm (UTC)
nopseud: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nopseud
Aww. This made me all warm and fuzzy, and slightly sniffly. I remember the first rps debate at the first Connotations, when it was down in Nottingham and I put myself up as the pro-rpser.

Popslash has lasted longer than any of my other fannish interests. Sometimes I think it's waning, but there's something about it which just keeps me here.

I'm used to small fandoms, having started off in B7, so that part of it doesn't bother me. But the apathy thing is sad, I agree. I was also thinking about stories and feedback recently, and one of the things which I realised was that [livejournal.com profile] shinyandnew doesn't seem to get used so much any more. It's a shame, because it really was a big help in getting new stories out to people. I suspect that partly it's because some of the newer fans don't even know about it. Maybe what we need is a [livejournal.com profile] shinyandnew revival.

I actually had a word with [livejournal.com profile] flambeau about the comm a couple of weeks ago, and she very kindly added me as an admin, so there'd be at least one active popslash mod. I updated the userinfo a bit, and deleted a couple of off-topic posts, and I was thinking about what else could be done -- pimpage, maybe some tagging and checking of links although that would be a huge project -- but then stuff happened and I haven't done anything else since.

Date: 2008-04-26 12:42 pm (UTC)
ext_1650: (Default)
From: [identity profile] turps33.livejournal.com
The change in attitude towards rps has been huge in the time I've been in fandom. I often wonder if Supernatural helped that along, when people had a choice of incest or rps.

The apathy bothers me. I know the fans are out there but they need to speak up. If they read something a simple 'I enjoyed that' would be fantastic. I hate seeing people put out stories that are pretty much ignored in terms of feedback.

Prompting [livejournal.com profile] shinyandnew is a great idea. I have to admit, I often forget to post there myself, and if I forget it's there, no wonder the newer people do too.

I'm here if you need any help with any pimping etc. I like pimping :)

Also, it's hardly surprising you didn't get anything done.

I'm also pondering on doing a popslash week o' squee. One sign up post, agree to post icons, pics, fic something to get people posting and commenting. I will poke people in the back with my sparkly pimping stick of doom if I have to.

Though I suspect people will be sick of seeing my name by now *g*

Date: 2008-04-27 12:50 pm (UTC)
nopseud: (shinyandnew -- nopseud)
From: [personal profile] nopseud
I often wonder if Supernatural helped that along, when people had a choice of incest or rps.

Hee! Possibly. I actually think that popslash was probably a major factor, simply because a lot of BNFs moved into the fandom, even some people who'd been quite anti-rps to begin with. Between that and LotRiPS, there was suddenly so much rps around that it developed a critical mass of writers and readers, which gave them enough of a voice to just keep doing what they were doing.

I'm also pondering on doing a popslash week o' squee.

That would be cool! :-)

Date: 2008-04-26 01:17 pm (UTC)
randomling: A wombat. (hmm)
From: [personal profile] randomling
It's quite odd being new to this fandom. See, while you're a hiatus fan, I'd have to call myself a post-breakup fan, and while there's still lots of enthusiasm and love for the boys to be found, every now and then someone comments that the fandom is dying. That makes me sad.

That said, I love the smallness of the fandom, because I think that in a big fandom I'd just feel adrift and confused (I'm thinking specifically of Doctor Who fandom, which I used to hang out in a bit, but despite my love for slash I never really found my people). All the people I've met through popslash have been, without exception, wonderful and awesome, and that's not something I can say of any other fandom I've been in ever.

But I'm coming to everything fresh, old and new, and I don't share any of those memories that you all do - my only knowledge from when 'N Sync were a group was my vague awareness that Britney Spears had some boybandy boyfriend; I hated Cry Me A River when it came out, and nurtured vague I-don't-care distate for Justin from that day until I saw Live At MSG (I now have the world's biggest crush, and NO idea how I got from one to the other!); I had no idea who Lance was, never mind that he'd come out, until I got into popslash. I feel that in many ways I've kind of missed the boat on this fandom, and as much as I love the boys and enjoy writing fic and adore the people that I've met, I'm still learning the fandom code.

I am aware of [livejournal.com profile] shinyandnew and have it on my flist. I'm tempted to use it to pimp my own stuff - because, new readers, yay! - but I've got so many stories now, and I would really love to pimp all of them, and I've no idea if that's allowed? It'd be a big post and then I'd post a link to each of my new fics as I posted them, I guess. Do you think that would be acceptable? Or should I just start with the newest thing and say "and here's a link to my fic index for the curious"? Any advice?

Also I'm happy to help out with tagging/link checking if needed?

Sorry, Terri! Longest comment EVER.

Date: 2008-04-26 02:59 pm (UTC)
pensnest: bright-eyed baby me (NSYNC general)
From: [personal profile] pensnest
I keep forgetting [livejournal.com profile] shinyandnew myself, so I usually end up posting about a batch of stories rather than the newest one. Somehow it seems odd to pimp a single story, but I don't feel bad about posting a reminder about half a dozen! IOW, a nice big post is fine.

I only arrived in this fandom in March 2005, and even in the time since then I'm sad to see how many people have drifted away... it is nice to be in a small fandom, because we can all know and cherish each other, but it'd certainly be nice to have a few more people around. I approve of [livejournal.com profile] turps33's efforts to keep people *doing* stuff, because I think we need the reminders, but it'd be nice if we had, say, a dozen or so fics posted every week. Mind you, I've not been doing nearly as much writing so far this year as I did for the first three. I still have stories to tell, but the compelling ones are Quite Long And Intimidating so I'm not writing them...

What was weird was the sudden explosion of canon. In my first year or so in popslash, there was hardly any new canon. I caught up on vast, vast amounts of old footage, and figured out that yes, Lance really *did* try to go to space, it wasn't simply a fic meme, and so forth. But the boys were very quiet, by and large. And then, suddenly, all kinds of fresh canon started to arrive, and it was very good. They've gone a bit quiet again now. It helps if they Do Stuff, so that we can squee and share and write about it.

Date: 2008-04-26 05:27 pm (UTC)
nopseud: (thisissex -- lance computer -- nopseud)
From: [personal profile] nopseud
It's always been fine to post a link to a single story in [livejournal.com profile] shinyandnew. I remember back when I first got into popslash in 2002/2003, there were often multiple posts a day announcing new stories.

I think I might write up a post for [livejournal.com profile] shinyandnew, reminding people about using the comm. And then maybe people could do a little pimping too.

Date: 2008-04-26 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bououou.livejournal.com
That said, I love the smallness of the fandom, because I think that in a big fandom I'd just feel adrift and confused.

I have to agree with that! :)
I think that's why I never wrotr anything for HP. Even if it was my main fandom for almost 5 years.

Date: 2008-05-29 11:33 am (UTC)
ext_1650: (Default)
From: [identity profile] turps33.livejournal.com
It makes me sad that people say the fandom is dying, too. Because it so isn't.

Since I've been in popslash, it's slowed down, but people are still writing, new people are arriving. I mean, look at you. Posting fic and being an asset to the fandom. That wouldn't happen if it were dead.

That said, I love the smallness of the fandom

Yeah, I totally agree. It's what I find difficult about bandslash. I have people who I'm close to in the fandom too, like Turlough and Saba, but I'm used to having so many more. I'm used to knowing names and knowing who likes what and where stuff is, and in bandom I don't have that. It's scary, especially as I find it hard to make friends.

Still, it's not like I'm leaving popslash, so I've got the best of all worlds really. A tight group around me, and also a place where I can wander at will.

As for memories. You may not have the ones some of us do, but you make your own I think. I mean, I never saw Nsync in concert, but that doesn't matter. I still love them just as much and I know you do too.

I know the popslash flame will keep flying for a long time. I'm sure of it.

Date: 2008-04-26 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaethe.livejournal.com
Hijacking your post to tell you I'm going to have my Awesome April story in today, but not till late today. I have to take Lucy on an emergency trip to the vet, then go rescue my mom's computer (and get a hair cut, but that's hardly emergency status. *looks at hair* Then again...). Anyway, it will be on time, by somewhere in the world's definition of the 26th. Sorry about the delay.

Date: 2008-04-26 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadiandreamr.livejournal.com
Terri, that's absolutely beautiful.

Date: 2008-05-22 01:06 pm (UTC)
ext_1650: (M-B-G borgs ( turloughishere))
From: [identity profile] turps33.livejournal.com
Thank you *mwah*

Date: 2008-04-26 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] withdiamonds.livejournal.com
Omg, Senad ignored you, too? It was like being a non-person. P-L was actually not scary at all, and I really had a good time there. It's also pertty much where I learned how to write. I debated about a pseudonym for my fannish involvement, but decided my real name sounds enough like a pseudonym that I would just use that. :) RPS was so very frowned upon in TS, wasn't it? That's what made me check it out, all those people, mostly on Senad, being so indignant about it, there had to be something good there. P-L was a little more open-minded about it. I remember the multi-fandom "Cabin in the Woods" challenge, and Francesca/Cesperanza telling people the popslash contributions were good.

And I'm sitting here in tears reading your post. I remember those things, and how wonderful it all was to share with so many other people. Okay, not the hate meme, but the rest of it. I came into popslash, or *NSlash, for me, in the fall of 2001. I remember the VMAs when they performed with Michael Jackson, and being so very excited, watching the Atlantis concert with Erin and Ashley. I was still hung up on my age back then, so I lurked around lj for almost two years before I got one of my own. I experienced the thrills vicariously, although there was one person from TS that shared them with me. Maggie Bcc and I emailed a million times a day, squeeing about it all. She had some RL problems, though, and I haven't heard from her in years, which makes me sad.

Anyway, it's been such an important part of my life for such a long time. Almost seven years. And no, it's not dead, but it's small and quiet. I will never stop loving those five men and will always be grateful for everything they brought to my life. Life takes funny turns, and who knew that in my middle age, a boyband would make such a difference to me, and cause me to find so much love in so many places?

I've made peace with the feedback thing in popslash. If I get a couple of comments, I'm grateful. My Awesome April story is one I've been working on for five years, and I'm just happy to find resolution with it.

My head might be with the Winchester boys right now, but my heart will always belong to Justin, JC, Lance, Chris and Joey. They're NSYNC.

Date: 2008-04-27 03:24 pm (UTC)
ext_312: Desolation Row!Gerard (Default)
From: [identity profile] turloughishere.livejournal.com
Life takes funny turns, and who knew that in my middle age, a boyband would make such a difference to me, and cause me to find so much love in so many places?

*nods in agreement*

Date: 2008-04-26 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chootoy.livejournal.com
Oh, what a great post on the subject!
There will always be a place in my hearth for Sparkley Dance Boys.

Date: 2008-05-22 03:12 pm (UTC)
ext_1650: (M-B-G borgs ( turloughishere))
From: [identity profile] turps33.livejournal.com
Thank you :)

There will always be a place in my hearth for Sparkley Dance Boys.

Yes, me too.

Date: 2008-04-26 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silveryscrape.livejournal.com
Thank you for this post. I love you.

Date: 2008-04-26 05:40 pm (UTC)
ext_1650: (killjoys Mikey/Ray)
From: [identity profile] turps33.livejournal.com
Thank you for the one that prompted it. It's been so interesting reading your comments.

Date: 2008-04-26 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] musiquedevie.livejournal.com
This post FTW. And this:
When they sang the National Anthem and despite not knowing, we knew it was probably the last time they'd sing together. The way that crackly cellphone captured song flew from journal to journal like a blazing fire.
*sniffles* I remember that like whoa. Just...yes. *sigh* I know I'll sound like a sap but I can't listen to it sometimes because I remember it was the last time. ;-/

And this:
But pushing the metaphor, while it is my home I'm spending most of my time outside of it right now. Which is pretty easy to do when things are so quiet. I'm falling - have fallen - for another fandom. But that's okay, I have plenty of love to go around.
It's really nice to know others are feeling that way as well. I definitely agree with this. *NSYNC is like my home fandom and I always have "my stuff" there but I also go elsewhere as well sometimes. Does that make sense? LOL

I still can't wrap my head around people who I thought were good friends now don't speak to me simply because I've found yet another fandom to fall head over heels for. It's not like you're allowed one #1 fandom. *shakes head*

But thank you for this post and the memories. I'm not a popslash fan but I get it. :-) *hugs*

Date: 2008-04-26 05:39 pm (UTC)
ext_1650: (Another trickC by Eva :D)
From: [identity profile] turps33.livejournal.com
*sniffles* I remember that like whoa

Yeah, me too. The way one person managed to post a file, and it just spread like crazy. On one hand I love that memory, on the other, yeah, sadness because it was the last time. I think most people knew it too.

Does that make sense?

It makes a lot of sense, because I feel exactly the same way. Also, I really don't get the people who stop talking to you just because you have another fandom. I have a few 'friends' like that too, and it baffles me.

I mean, I know nothing about your team, but I can see how happy they make you. Posts of squee can and should be enjoyed at all times.

Date: 2008-04-27 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bettina_/
and while I read the mailing lists they were never really for me.

LJ has also the big advantage that even when people move to other fandoms it's so much easier to stay in touch with people from previous fandoms or even with people who you've never shared a fandom. It's quite amazing!

And I wouldn't want to miss my popslash time for the world!

Date: 2008-04-27 03:25 pm (UTC)
ext_312: Desolation Row!Gerard (Default)
From: [identity profile] turloughishere.livejournal.com
LJ has also the big advantage that even when people move to other fandoms it's so much easier to stay in touch with people from previous fandoms or even with people who you've never shared a fandom.

This is so true!

Date: 2008-05-22 03:08 pm (UTC)
ext_1650: (M-B-G borgs ( turloughishere))
From: [identity profile] turps33.livejournal.com
LJ has also the big advantage that even when people move to other fandoms it's so much easier to stay in touch with people from previous fandoms or even with people who you've never shared a fandom. It's quite amazing!

That's very true. I know my flist is full of people who don't share a fandom with me anymore, but that doesn't matter because I like them as people.

And I wouldn't want to miss my popslash time for the world!

Oh, heck yeah!

Date: 2008-04-27 03:20 pm (UTC)
ext_312: Desolation Row!Gerard (Default)
From: [identity profile] turloughishere.livejournal.com
This post made me smile and feel all warm and fuzzy inside! (Well, not the hate meme thingy, but the rest of it!)

Just as you I've fallen head-over-heels in love with another fandom. I've been calling myself a fandom bigamist for a while, trying to juggle my interest in both bandslash and popslash, but I fear that that's no longer true. Sad as it is, popslash no longer holds half of my fannish interests. But for some reason I still THINK of myself as a popslasher. It was the first fanfic fandom I became active in and I think that I'll always, at heart, think of it as my home.

Date: 2008-04-27 07:08 pm (UTC)
ext_1650: (killjoys Mikey/Ray)
From: [identity profile] turps33.livejournal.com
It's always lovely to think of old memories.

I still very much think of myself as a popslasher, but like you I do spend most of my time elsewhere. Still, I have no plans to leave altogether. I'm just juggling like crazy right now :)

Date: 2008-04-27 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaudevilles.livejournal.com
I have very little to add except a huge squish from an even more recent fan for being so welcoming and wonderful.

Although I realised today that I bought No Strings Attached about six months after it came out from a sale bin and really liked it. Plus I choreographed a routine for our drag king troupe to Bye Bye Bye in 2002!

Date: 2008-05-22 01:05 pm (UTC)
ext_1650: (M-B-G borgs ( turloughishere))
From: [identity profile] turps33.livejournal.com
Hee! Obviously that was a sign you were meant to be a pop fan!

*smooch*

Date: 2008-04-28 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brighton-girl.livejournal.com
This was a nice review. *sigh* Remember the "Bev" situation around the last Challenge.

I love them still so much, and all that they have brought to me!

Date: 2008-04-29 09:16 pm (UTC)
ext_1650: (mikey boyband (darkxshines))
From: [identity profile] turps33.livejournal.com
Oh man, can I! That's one woman that needs to keep her mouth shut. On a parent level I know why she does it, but still.

I love them still so much, and all that they have brought to me!

Exactly!

Date: 2008-04-29 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brighton-girl.livejournal.com
The other parents snubbed her at the game that day in Chicago. I watched her almost the whole time. Chris is the only person who spoke to her. Even Roy Chasez walked by without saying a word.
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