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I saw Endgame yesterday
Not spoilery.
For some reason, Odeon played the end of Red Joan instead of adverts before the main movie. It's not a film I intended to go see but if I had I would have been annoyed as the played the last half an hour or so. I'll cut them some slack as that point the projection staff must have been working solid for well over a day as Endgame was showing constantly since midnight, but really. Why show a current movie? It makes no sense and people kept walking out of the screen thinking they'd gone into the wrong one.
And onto
Things I liked.
I loved the final battle scene and the moment the extended cast began to appear gave me goosebumps. Steve alone and looking like he was facing imminent defeat and then, 'on your left'
Loved Steve being able to wield Mjolnir, and in fact, many people in the audience cheered at that which was a lovely moment.
Scott was fabulous throughout. I love how he's so obviously out of his depth often, and yet never backs away from danger.
I liked how Steve had his besties with him at the end, Bucky knowing Steve probably wasn't coming back as planned and being at peace with that. And Sam being given the shield. I knew it happened in comic universe but wasn't expecting it in the movies.
Not sure about Steve living his life with Peggy. On one hand, yeah, it's a nice thought to finally get with the love of his life. But Peggy had lived a full and apparently happy life herself. Was it really Steve's decision to change that? Would he have changed that? Time travel and time offshoots are complicated.
Things I didn't like.
I really didn't like the fat Thor jokes. I do like Thor's humour and he makes me laugh, but he's so much more than a comical character and I think they did him a disservice in this film. He had very real mental health issues due to very bad things happening and understandably retreated from the world drinking and putting on weight in the process. The jokes about that really missed the mark with me.
I did like him ending with the GotG though, because yeah, we all know who is in charge.
Natasha dying. Okay, so, Hawkeye is my favourite character and I would have been gutted if he died, but it would have made sense if he did so. I know that there was that fight for which one was going to sacrifice themselves so it wasn't a case of him picking himself over Natasha but still didn't like how Natasha died.
Talking of Clint, I actually didn't mind his new look in the slightest and think his murderous rampage before Natasha pulled him back in made sense in terms of him losing his family. Really, I just love their friendship and how it seems to be one that can survive despite so much time apart.
My heart ached for at Tony's death scene, with Peter, and then Pepper. Tony was never one of my favourites, but it still hurt to see him go.
Overall I liked it, and that battle scene was amazing. But some elements I could have done without.
I'm seeing it again on Monday, and I'll time my toilet break differently so I'll see more of Tony with his dad. I don't think I've ever rushed to the toilet so fast in the cinema. It didn't help we were in one of the highest rows which led to lots of fast stair climbing.
For some reason, Odeon played the end of Red Joan instead of adverts before the main movie. It's not a film I intended to go see but if I had I would have been annoyed as the played the last half an hour or so. I'll cut them some slack as that point the projection staff must have been working solid for well over a day as Endgame was showing constantly since midnight, but really. Why show a current movie? It makes no sense and people kept walking out of the screen thinking they'd gone into the wrong one.
And onto
Things I liked.
I loved the final battle scene and the moment the extended cast began to appear gave me goosebumps. Steve alone and looking like he was facing imminent defeat and then, 'on your left'
Loved Steve being able to wield Mjolnir, and in fact, many people in the audience cheered at that which was a lovely moment.
Scott was fabulous throughout. I love how he's so obviously out of his depth often, and yet never backs away from danger.
I liked how Steve had his besties with him at the end, Bucky knowing Steve probably wasn't coming back as planned and being at peace with that. And Sam being given the shield. I knew it happened in comic universe but wasn't expecting it in the movies.
Not sure about Steve living his life with Peggy. On one hand, yeah, it's a nice thought to finally get with the love of his life. But Peggy had lived a full and apparently happy life herself. Was it really Steve's decision to change that? Would he have changed that? Time travel and time offshoots are complicated.
Things I didn't like.
I really didn't like the fat Thor jokes. I do like Thor's humour and he makes me laugh, but he's so much more than a comical character and I think they did him a disservice in this film. He had very real mental health issues due to very bad things happening and understandably retreated from the world drinking and putting on weight in the process. The jokes about that really missed the mark with me.
I did like him ending with the GotG though, because yeah, we all know who is in charge.
Natasha dying. Okay, so, Hawkeye is my favourite character and I would have been gutted if he died, but it would have made sense if he did so. I know that there was that fight for which one was going to sacrifice themselves so it wasn't a case of him picking himself over Natasha but still didn't like how Natasha died.
Talking of Clint, I actually didn't mind his new look in the slightest and think his murderous rampage before Natasha pulled him back in made sense in terms of him losing his family. Really, I just love their friendship and how it seems to be one that can survive despite so much time apart.
My heart ached for at Tony's death scene, with Peter, and then Pepper. Tony was never one of my favourites, but it still hurt to see him go.
Overall I liked it, and that battle scene was amazing. But some elements I could have done without.
I'm seeing it again on Monday, and I'll time my toilet break differently so I'll see more of Tony with his dad. I don't think I've ever rushed to the toilet so fast in the cinema. It didn't help we were in one of the highest rows which led to lots of fast stair climbing.
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Yess I loved the battle too! Steve wielding it was such an awesome moment (and there was cheering at mine too)
Yeah Scott’s so sweet I wanna smush him.
Yeah, I’m... not sure that was the right thing for Steve to do. It was signposted throughout, but I think he should have stayed with Bucky at the end. Leaving him like that (even as a friend) felt very ooc for him
Yeah, they did for me too. He went through so much and he deserved hugs
I’m glad he’s with the guardians that makes me super excited to see what happens
Yeah, damnit soul stone :( I knew one of them would go... but at least he didn’t just shove her off,
*hugs them and you*
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I was more irritated by Bruce Hulk, because while I am down with the whole acceptance of both parts of oneself, Banner's whole thing is that he's as much of a genius as Stark, and yet he had to be portrayed as inept so that Tony could come save the day.
Loved loved loved Steve picking up Mjolnir and Thor's pleased reaction to it.
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That's how I took it - that hey, he may be a superhero, but everything they'd been through took a toll on him too. I think the jokes were an attempt to try to lighten such a serious topic a little bit. May not have always worked, but thought it was good that PTSD was still brought into it all.
I was just irritated at Bruce Hulk in general - the half shift, the attitude at the diner... That was never the Bruce we knew. :/
ETA:
Also *waves* Hi! I'm Den. :)
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In many ways, Thor's reaction was by far the most human of all.
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one of those times was when the Hulk part was knocked out of him and it was just Bruce.
When he was talking to The Ancient One? That was basically the only time that Bruce/Hulk didn't bother me.
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I think the whole theatre broke out into cheers for that. :)
Not sure about Steve living his life with Peggy. On one hand, yeah, it's a nice thought to finally get with the love of his life. But Peggy had lived a full and apparently happy life herself. Was it really Steve's decision to change that? Would he have changed that? Time travel and time offshoots are complicated.
I've seen it theorized that Steve was actually Peggy's unnamed husband in the previous movies. It's an interesting thought.
I wasn't nearly as gutted about Nat dying as I thought I would be. But Tony! Tony I was bawling like a baby. the entire theatre was quiet for that whole scene and all you could hear were sniffles. Iron Man is who pulled me into the whole 'verse, so he has a special place for me.
I LOOOVED everyone coming back. Sam's "On your left" - beautiful shout out to their inside joke. Loved the comments about Steve's ass (Chris Evans' ass is truly magnificent). Pepper being suited up at the end was wonderful.
During Tony's memorial at the end, I loved the pan over of basically everyone as they faced the water. It was incredible to see everyone, erm, assembled again.
Childthing wants to see it, so there's talks about us going next weekend, perhaps.
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There were a lot of satisfactory emotional moments, weren't there! Except for Natasha, although the moments on the cliff did make it clear just how much the relationship with Hawkeye meant to them both. But wouldn't it have been a surprise to have the guy sacrifice himself, just for a change, instead of the woman?
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Ha. Yes!
I've been busy these last few days so haven't had a chance to reply to comments yet, just wanted to say how much I've been enjoying reading the discussion.
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Now that's an idea that I can get behind.
But wouldn't it have been a surprise to have the guy sacrifice himself, just for a change, instead of the woman?
It's difficult because I both like and dislike that whole fight scene. I love that it does showcase the friendship between Clint and Natasha, but you're also right, it's a pity he didn't get to make the sacrifice.
What it does do is make me want to read countless gen stories about them having adventures as well as domestic friendship fluff.
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That was fantastic, and I could happily watch the battle scene over and over.
But yeah, the body shaming wasn't good. I suppose I get what they were going for, that Thor was still powerful and great however he looked, but it just didn't work for me and the fatso jibes make me cringe even thinking about them.
And yes, the alcoholism really should have been addressed. But I guess it didn't have as much scope for a cheap laugh.
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I liked Tony, he is probably in my top 5 characters, but near the end, so his death definitely made me tear up, but it felt so justified that he saved the universe. (And even just typing that made me tear up. *fangirl problems*)
The battle scene and the movement of the gauntlet across the field of battle was epic. I loved it. (And that it began with Clint).
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I've got issues with some things in the film, but the murderous rage isn't one of them. And I was have been ridiculously sad if Clint had sacrificed himself, but at the same time, would have understood why. But I do love the lead up to that scene for showing Nat's and Clint's friendship so well.
I like Tony too. It always surprises me how many people seem to really dislike his character. Or that if you like Steve you can't like Tony and vice versa, that makes no sense to me. Him dying was hard to watch, especially so as I suspect he knew it would happen, and seemed so happy with his new life.
Epic is the right word for the battle. I could watch that over and over.