Because I'm nosy
Apr. 12th, 2007 12:29 pmI was thinking about pairings yesterday, about how when I post stories different people will comment depending on the pairing I'm writing about.
This got me wondering how deep OTP reading goes. Personally I only used to read the Chris pairings, but that's changed and I'll read most things now. Admittedly I much prefer stories where he's the focus, but there's many great non-Chris focussed stories out there, and I was missing out by passing them by.
So, I thought I'd poll and see what others think. You don't have to explain anything but feel free to discuss in comments. Same if I've missed something, which no doubt I have.
[Poll #965020]
This got me wondering how deep OTP reading goes. Personally I only used to read the Chris pairings, but that's changed and I'll read most things now. Admittedly I much prefer stories where he's the focus, but there's many great non-Chris focussed stories out there, and I was missing out by passing them by.
So, I thought I'd poll and see what others think. You don't have to explain anything but feel free to discuss in comments. Same if I've missed something, which no doubt I have.
[Poll #965020]
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Date: 2007-04-12 11:35 am (UTC)It makes sense to me anyway.
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Date: 2007-04-12 12:29 pm (UTC)I love the h/c stories too, but you beat even me ;)
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Date: 2007-04-12 12:39 pm (UTC)Me either. Like I said, I used to be all about only reading the Chris pairings, but that was when I first came into the fandom and there were huge amounts of stories to read.
I quickly realised that cutting myself off because of pairings was insane. All those stories and I wouldn't give them a chance because of a pairing? There's something wrong there.
Now I'll read pretty much anything, though I do discriminate about pairing names. Joshtin and trickykitty put me off immediately. Which sounds really petty, but it's just how it is.
It let me in the door to the party, and I ditched it by the punch bowl.
That's a great description.
Thanks for answering.
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Date: 2007-04-12 12:03 pm (UTC)re changing reading habbits? I'll follow an author I trust anywhere (which is what got me into pop originally) and over time I've gotten more of a feel for a wider range of characters, so I'll read pure-BSB and a wider range of 'supporting'/ stuff now, even if I don't know the author's work so well.
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Date: 2007-04-12 12:46 pm (UTC)I think reading a wider range of stories is the way to go. I know a lot of people are totally OTP only, but there's so much cool stuff out there it's a shame not to give it a try. Same with writers I suppose, you don't know if you like their stories until you give it a try.
Thanks for answering :)
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Date: 2007-04-12 12:11 pm (UTC)That said, with popslash, I have several favorite pairings, several levels of favorites, but once again, I'll read anything. I can't imagine limiting myself to one pairing, or even one guy.
Lance is my OTP, obviously. When I first got here, JoLa was my favorite, as it was everyone else's at that time. Then I decided to love Lambs, mostly because that's when Sandy and Tiffany Rawlins were writing a lot of Lambs. Then after the Reel Nsync, we all wrote and read Trickyfish. (Yes, yes, I am apparently a sheep.) I loved what everyone was writing, but I also love TrickC and Bassez and Timbertrick. Today, I'd put Timbertone and JoeC and Choey and JuC, (even though I write a lot of JuC), near the bottom, and anything with Lance or JC near the top, but I love it all, really.
It took me a while to read Backstreet, except when I couldn't avoid them in a crossover, but I like Nick, AJ, and Kevin paired with anyone. I don't really love Howie or Brian, but that doesn't stop me from reading them.
I don't mind a bit of het thrown in, I don't mind deathfic, there's really nothing that bothers me except apologyfic. There are some things I love more than others, but like I said, why would I limit myself? Who knows what I could be missing by being fussy?
As far as writing is concerned, I've only ever written Lambs, TrickC, Bassez, JuC and Timbertrick. It looks like I don't love Joey, but I do! Actually, I wrote a Timbertone back in 2001 that will never see the light of day, mostly because I have no idea where it is.
And I haven't read your Choey ficlets from yesterday, but I'm off to do that right now.
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:19 pm (UTC)I love hearing about old reading trends and am always surprised that Jola was so popular back then. Especially as it's a pairing that doesn't seem to be written much now.
From the answers I'm reading it seems Brian gets the raw deal in terms of people reading him. I wonder why that is? Not that I go out to read Brian stories either.
why would I limit myself? Who knows what I could be missing by being fussy?
I think that's a great attitude. It seems such a shame to limit yourself in terms of what you'll read.
Obviously you need to write more Joey. I'm sure you have time after Remix ;)
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Date: 2007-04-12 12:19 pm (UTC)Basically, the long and short of it is that because reading is school for me, my need for reading material went down, not because I liked reading everything I had to for class, but because I had to. In which case, this situation has only served to cement my OTP leanings and made me read AJ pairings more or less exclusively for some time. I've got about a million other stories with other pairings in them bookmarked for reading, but I just haven't had the time to. In my mind somewhere I've got lists of stories for each pairing, actually (yes, even for TrickC), because I love seeing them interact in all sorts of different ways.
My old rule of thumb was that if it was well written, I'd give it a shot. However, now that I've got that much work to do, I zero in on the stuff that I know will give me a quick buzz whenever I had the time: Letterboys, AJ/Kevin, and AJ/Lance. Which are all underwritten pairings, and thus contributes even more to my non-read-y-ness.
I feel like a bad writer/reader/fan now.
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:23 pm (UTC)Your explanation makes a lot of sense. Fact is, if you're busy and have little time you're obviously going to read what you know you'll enjoy. That doesn't make you a bad fan at all, it means you're sensible.
But yeah, you have three underwritten pairings there.
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Date: 2007-04-12 12:40 pm (UTC)The only pairings I tend to stay away from unless I know the author are JuC and Choey. I'm not sure what about JuC squicks me, but for the most part I only enjoy the pairing in an AU setting. My lack of Choey enthusiasm may be due to a lack of options - or it may just be Joey and Chris tend to read really straight to me and I have a hard time suspending my disbelief enough to put them together.
PS - This was a fun survey, I'm looking forward to reading others' responses!
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:47 pm (UTC)I've been searching for a good way to describe my trickc/Chris thing, and this does perfectly. I know you've seen my comment, but I'll say it again anyway. You think the same about Lance as I do with Chris.
That's interesting you can only read JuC in an AU setting. In fact a lot of these comments are interesting, I love seeing how others think.
Thanks for replying.
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Date: 2007-04-12 12:42 pm (UTC)The funny thing is, it's not that I don't love Justin and Joey. I just personally have a hard time seeing them as slashy. Not sure why. No offense intended to those who enjoy pairings involving them.
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:15 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-04-12 12:56 pm (UTC)I'm definitely an OTP person (which, I know you're thinking, 'no, Kim, really?' *g*)--and I don't like to read out of my comfort zone...but I make myself do it sometimes, or else I'd have nothing new to read. So when I say that my reading habits have changed, and that I read other pairings, that's what I'm talking about.
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:59 pm (UTC)I think I've read every pairing too, but there's still some that remain right down the list. Bassez for one, JoLa too, and I'm not even sure why that is. Well, apart from the obvious lack of Chris.
I'm just glad we've got kick-ass writers for every pairing out there.
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Date: 2007-04-12 01:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-04-12 04:13 pm (UTC)On the rare occasion I read it, generally it's something a friend has written and asked me to read
Who would do such a horrible thing!? ;)
I like hearing you ramble :)
Thanks, honey.
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Date: 2007-04-12 01:32 pm (UTC)Also, authors that I admire can make me read a lot of stuff, but not everything. I stay away from most of the NSync/BSB crossovers, but I have read Joey/Justin, for example, which I normally wouldn't read, by a few very selected authors.
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Date: 2007-04-12 04:19 pm (UTC)Same here.
It's weird how phases hit. I know sometimes I have to read a certain pairing, and will do so for ages. Then it goes away and I'm back to reading other things. I guess sometimes you just get an urge that needs to be itched.
I've read very little Joey/Justin. It makes me wonder why certain pairings get so popular.
Thanks for answering.
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Date: 2007-04-12 01:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-04-12 04:25 pm (UTC)I so love these comments, telling me why people like the pairings they do, and about the ones they don't.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
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Date: 2007-04-12 02:26 pm (UTC)That said, if a writer I absolutely loved and trusted wrote a non-JC pairing story that still included a lot of JC, I would probably read it.
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:38 pm (UTC)And you are a person of much awesomeness :)
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Date: 2007-04-12 02:31 pm (UTC)The very first fic I read was US from ada, that feature the Choey paring. Back then my funny bone didn't tickle for either of those guys (but then again, back then I found boybands utterly boring and the only one I really liked was Howie D.),but then I read The Same Inside, written by Helen and What makes you different makes you beautiful of Lois lane and I got hooked to Choey and Sweet and Low like instantly!
I once had a thing for the Jo/La, but that just fall behind as soon as I started to read Sweet and Low stories.
Then again Gender Bender are my choice of stories. I can't say those two fics drew me to my OPT (intra sync OTP and Cross over OTP), but it kinda happened naturally as for me it actually made sense.
Now, despite my liking for one particular pairing, that doesn't mean I won't read other stories about other pairings. Come on! it would be boring to read only one thing about just one paring! Yes, it's true. I tend to look for the pairing I like but that doesn't mean I won't give other pairings I try.
Specially if I like the writer.
My favorite writer is Lois Lane (I'm still mourning about a loss) and Nopseud and I've read everything they have written regardless of the paring. The same happened with Helen's works and with Synchronity (I'm misspelling the name, I know) who's stories I loved and I couldn't care less about the pairing. And there are some stories that I found to be my favorites and that doesn't have the OTP involved.
And with the little I've written I found that it's utterly boring writing or coming up with plots for just ONE paring.
Nowadays I love to read anything that has Howie involved (because he has me) or even Howie mixed in the paring. If I read Lance/Howie, it's gonna be so very weird, but at the same time interesting, and then again it's howie, so I will read it gladly.
As for the things I won't read, I don't read fics with people turning into animals, things and stuff and I have this policy of not pairing Justin with anyone, cause I can't stand the guy (the time I made and exception was when I had to write a JUC for my Sesa and I strangely enjoyed it). Also I can't see Brian paired with anyone. That guy is sexless to me.
And even so I will give those a try if a good writer is responsible for the fic.
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Date: 2007-04-12 05:02 pm (UTC)I love that you read Story of Us without being interested at first. You're one good friend.
it would be boring to read only one thing about just one paring! Yes, it's true. I tend to look for the pairing I like but that doesn't mean I won't give other pairings I try.
That's very true. You have a great attitude to things. I especially like you'll give things a try if you trust the writer. No one can like everything, but I think it's good to experiment.
Thank you so much for your thoughtfull answer. I loved reading it.
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Date: 2007-04-12 02:43 pm (UTC)Do you consider yourself to have a OTP? & What is that OTP?
Well, in Nsync I do (it's Trickyfish all the way, baby!) but in Backstreet I like all pairings that don't include Brian, and I absolutely adore Lance/AJ, Lance/Kevin, Lance/Nick, and Lance/Howie.
If yes, will you only read that OTP?
In Nsync fic, pretty much, yes. I do read some other Nsync pairings but it depends on whether I'm in the mood, who the writer is, the tone of the story etc. In BSB fic I do sometimes read stories involving Brian for much the same reasons.
Is there a reason why you'll only read that OTP?
Other pairings just don't interest me? I think it's mostly that none of the other Nsync pairings have the special dynamics that interest me in Trickyfish.
If you don't have a OTP do you think, I'll read anything as long as *insert man of choice here* is involved? & Or will you read anything, regardless of who's involved?
No, but if Lance is the central protagonist I will at least look at the story :-)
Is there a pairing/pairings that you won't read?
I don't read JuC or Timbertrick unless there's another pairing I do like in the story too. I very seldom read serious JoLa stories (of course in crack anything goes pretty much :-) because they're BFF not lovers!! I also tend to find Bassez stories and TrickC stories boring, the former because the dynamics of the pairing seldom "pings" for me and the latter because there's no Lance in it :-) Brian/Nick is another pairing I have great problems with, partly because I see them as friends, not lovers, and partly because I can't see it ending in anything but tragedy for Nick what with Brian being happily married and all. (No Kevin/Nick doesn't ping that tragedy feeling, perhaps because I can more readily disregard Kevin's marriage or view it as a convenient "beard" thing.)
Have your reading habits changed since joining the fandom? eg, you'll read more or less pairings now than at first. & If yes, why did you change them?
Yes, because now I will at least look at anything written by someone on my flist regardless of pairing, partly because I want to show my solidarity and partly because popslash isn't so big these days that you can really afford to be too chosy :-)
If a writer you admire wrote a pairing you dislike, would you read the story?
It depends on many things. If it contains Lance I will at least look at it, if it doesn't the chance that I will click on it is lower and depends on how rushed I'm feeling and in what mood I am. I will probably bookmark it for later though, even if that "later" never seem to arrive...
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Date: 2007-04-12 06:22 pm (UTC)I really don't like JoLa but the threesome Chris/Lance/Joey is my favourite OT3 which doesn't make any sense at all!
I always say that Justin is my least favourite Nsyncer but story-wise it's actually JC these days. Justin often makes an interesting character and I've read many good Lambs stories whereas JC to me almost always comes across as boring. Very weird!
I forgot all about my terrible weakness for Cartercest when speaking of OTPs. It's just so delightfully fucked-up :-)
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:08 pm (UTC)2. However, I read much more then just GSF-- if only read GSF I don't think I'd ever be reading fiction.
6. Reading things regardless of who is involved is so tricky...Because of time lines and age differences and all that stuff. I love me some KeviNick and will read me some KeviNick. If Nick is 14 or 15 though and Kevin is 22 or 23-- no matter how I feel about that pairing I cannot read about Kevin doing a little teenager. 1stly I don't think he would unless drunk and high and secondly-- little teenager! Of course it's completely different if it's Tiny!Nicky and AJ because their ages are much closer together. Eight years is a big difference when you are 14.
Also, incest. I have learned now that though Kevin/Brian may not be considered incest everywhere in the world-- I grew up with it being considered so...It's hard to shake that but I can at least understand why people like it now.
7. There is only one pairing I won't read and that is Kevin/Brian. However! There are pairings that I prefer not to read such as Kevin/Howie, Choey, Kevin/Justin (though I dont think there is much of that...), Chris/Howie. It doesn't mean I absolutely won't read them. If I trust the writer I trust that they made it enjoyable-- and usually that can change my view on a pairing all together. Not because I like to consider myself to be swayed easily, but because they might point out a dynamic I had never noticed before. It's like an evolving thing!
9. As far as other characters go...It all depends if they are slashed with one of my (B)boys. I don't like Wade...I don't. So if he is featured in the main pairing the chances are I'm going to have a hard time reading it. Wade and Britney in the background and secondary characters I am cool with. And Lynn...Oh my, should I even go there? lol!
10 and 11. Reading habits? Change? uhhhhhhh...LARGELY! Considering I used to only read Arok and KeviNick I'd say I have come a long way. I read just about everything now. I didn't even use to look at Nsync fiction-- and now I read more of that then I do BSB-- largely because I think there is more good Nsync!Fic then BSB!Fic. I read just about anything I come across now. It's always so different and fun! Somethign that is so great about this fandom is the variety we have. People aren't afriad to explore and that just makes the experience that much better!
12. Chances are I would reading the pairing as long as it didn't conflict with any major morals (incest and molestation of little children). I talked about this above. A good writer can and will make things work. They will make you fall in love with what you are reading. Plus, plot is important too. If it were a pairing I didn't like and the plot just sounded faboo I wouldn't be able to pass it up.
Okie, dont rambling!
Sweet ass poll!
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:17 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:21 pm (UTC)I actually really like Trickyfish and JoLa, so I don't know what my Lance deal is with JC and Justin, but I can't read either of them with Lance. I will read JC/Justin with other people, if I know in the end it ends up JC/Justin.
If an author I loved wrote something else, I would give it a shot as long as it wasn't Lambs or Bassez. It's just this thing I have. Oh and I have a huge issue with people writing JC as a girl and Justin as the biggest asshole in the world...no matter what pairing it is. Thanks for doing this poll, it was fun and it made me really think about it.
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Date: 2007-04-12 05:58 pm (UTC)I'm enjoying reading all the relies to on the post, especially why people like the pairings that they do, and also the ones they dislike.
I don't get Bassez either, and I can't even say why. I just don't. I'll give them a try but I just don't get that connection with the story. It could mean I haven't found the right story, but I doubt it.
I have a huge issue with people writing JC as a girl and Justin as the biggest asshole in the world
Oh man yes. One of my pet peeves is the kitty thing. Too often people take it to extremes where JC is a total pretty girl and it's such shallow characterisation. The same with Justin. He has his faults, but doesn't everyone?
Thank you for replying. Like I said, it's been cool to see all the comments. Mainly because despite all the preferences, there's little bitching and bashing of one anothers choices, and I think that's great.
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:39 pm (UTC)I suppose I mostly read Nick in the context of Howie/Nick, and I guess I don't read all that much Kevin, so Kevin/Nick doesn't push a whole lot of buttons for me. I don't know why, because I adore them both, but something doesn't quite mesh up for me. And it's the same with AJ/Nick - I know both of those pairings have chemistry, but I just ... don't really get it, I guess. I'll read it if it's well written, though.
For NSYNC, I'm pretty much Lance/Everyone. I do need to venture out a little more when it comes to that, because stuff like TrickC is something I've never really tried. I've never felt the need to limit myself to one pairing - there's no fun in that, and you miss out on way too much in the process.
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:48 pm (UTC)Also! Forgot to mention that I was one of the rare ones who came into popslash reading solely BSB, and then finding NSYNC later. So, yes, my reading habits have definitely changed since I started out in fandom as well. :)
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Date: 2007-04-12 03:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-04-12 07:26 pm (UTC)I love that description so very much.
I guess my head must have a revolving door *g*
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Date: 2007-04-12 04:14 pm (UTC)Depends, and I'll explain in comments
I used to read ALL pairings, back in 2000-2002, when everything was still really active.
Or will you read anything, regardless of who's involved?
I used to back in the day, regardless of pairing, if I liked the writer or it was recommended or the summary was very interesting
If a writer you admire wrote a pairing you dislike, would you read the story?
I *used* to read all stories by my favorite writers, who weren't all fans of my favorite pair.
It's pretty disheartening to read that so many people pass over stories because of something like it being called "JuC" or "Trickyfish". If one has never read anything by that writer, how can one judge a writer's entire oeuvre based on a short descriptive moniker that was invented on a whim by people who probably no longer even take interest in the fandom? I can see dismissing a story based on the author, if one has read that author's previous work and not cared for it. But the little blurb describing the pair? Damn, it's a wonder anyone posts Nsync slash at all anymore.
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Date: 2007-04-13 11:25 am (UTC)I think while it's good to have an open mind about reading outside of your usual pairings, it's obvious that you'd go for favourites first. I mean, I would too.
Thanks for answering.
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Date: 2007-04-12 04:54 pm (UTC)I like Chris paired with anyone mostly cause he's such a great and versatile guy. ;D When Juju isn't with Chris, in my ideal world :), it's fun seeing him with Lance, or perhaps Joey more often.
I'm not really a big fan of JuC -that's a whole lotta pretty o___o- but I'll read it every now and then when I'm in the mood. Plus, there are lots of great JuC that I have read, it's just something about them two together weirds me out. I'm not sure what it is. :/
Joey, like Chris, I'm happy seeing Joey with anyone. Whether it be the one the guys/crossover or even just Kelly. He's just so... Joey just seems to be such a happy person and influcence on people's lives, it's fun seeing him with anyone. Though I do have fondness for seeing him with Chris, Lance, and Justin.
LOL Lance I can see him more so with JC, then Justin, and then Chris. His snarky and business smarts self makes for fun stories when mixing it up with everyone else. I remember reading an interview they were asked the question: MONEY or FAME. Everyone else said fame except for Lance. LOL He makes me think of socialite. He would've been a perfect one, no? *plot bunny strikes* *sets it aside for the sparklyglee challenge* :D
JC... I have to be honest, I think JC is the one I'm least attached to overall, however, I like his music the most overall. LOL I can see him mostly with Lance, then Chris, and then Justin. I've only recently discover the true power of TrickC. :D JC has so many different facets, sometimes I don't think he belongs with anyone in the group. Though I have a deep love for Bassez, Letterboys (AJ/JC) makes me swoon. :D
I can see anyone in BSB with each other. I don't really have a favorite pairing, though I get an inner glowy feeling when reading AJ/Brian. :) I can also see all the members of BSB with any member of *NSYNC/98 Degrees/O-Town and blah blah blah. I can see them with anyone. So reading BSB fic is so much fun for me.
Sorry for babbling so much. XXDDD
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Date: 2007-04-13 12:49 pm (UTC)Thanks so much for telling me in such detail. One thing I've loved about these comments is finding out what people think, especially how they arrange the pairings and why.
And yeah, I can totally see Lance as a socialite *g*
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Date: 2007-04-12 05:25 pm (UTC)There is just something about JuC...We all seem to give Joshtin the evil eye lmao!
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Date: 2007-04-12 06:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-04-13 02:59 pm (UTC)I know I always say I have an OTP but considering I'll happily read Chris slashed with everyone that's not really true.
I have favourite writers where I'll read everything too. I've read outside of my usual pairing comfort zone because of that.
Thanks for answering :)